From left to right: Ben, Willie, Chad. This is about 4 hours BV (Before Venable)
Press play above to listen to our brief, zany, and irreplaceable “conversation” between us and @jencosgriff as we dissected the Giants tough loss, bare thighs, boobs, and punching people in the face. Recorded in the wee hours of the morning at Zeke’s in San Francisco. Very limited quantities of alcohol were consumed.
“Extra Baggs: The Giants would turn Lincecum into a late-inning reliever “in a
heartbeat,” according to one club source, if they had another starting
pitcher in the system ready to take his place in the rotation.
How would he feel about that?
“I’m always open. It’s just, right now I don’t want to be open to
it,” said Lincecum, adding he is committed to remaining a starter for
the rest of this season. “I’m sure if my career takes that turn, I’m
definitely open to changes, especially if it’s beneficial to the team
I’m playing for.””
Armchair Manager
Do you keep Gaudin in the rotation?
How do you set up the coming weeks?
More rest for starters or skip the 5th spot when possible.
Skip Lincecum in AZ?
On Deck
Quick 2 games at home vs. Toronto, then a 9 game road trip through AZ, Pit and ATL, all winning teams
June is going to be rough: 18 of 27 games are on the road
Tweet At Me, Bruh
Willie: @TortureCast: I’ll keep on this juice fast as long as Lincecum remains a starter. #mightlose30pounds
Chad: Tom Tolbert – @byronjr23: Halos 6 outs from being swept by the Astros..It would be a 4 game sweep no less..Fun fact: Astros payroll 17 mill..Hamilton salary 17.5 mill”
Yeah, we missed a show, but they went 1-6 that week and would’ve had to have recorded the show on Zoloft. So, we skipped it. This week was a little better….
Oh, and by the way, Chad will be covering the A’s-Giants game on Thursday, 5/30 (12:45pm) from the press box, so be sure to tune in for sober tweets during the game.
Talking Points
Giants have been scuffling. Now in second place, 1 back of AZ
Last year, after 51 games, Giants were 27-24, 5.5 GB of LAD, 1 game back of what they are now: 28-23
Discuss my Uncle’s memorial game
Giants have gone 5-8 since our last show…
The Week in Review
Injuries: Broken pinkie for Vogelsong, out 6-8 weeks
Injuries: Casilla out with leg surgery to remove a cyst from his tibia. Expected to return after the ASG
Rosario sent down to AAA to make room for Kickham’s start tomorrow
Pagan’s inside the park homer walk off
The Big Question
Is Kickham the right choice to replace Vogelsong?
Tweet At Me, Bruh
Willie: @djp4cal: “Booing Posey is like booing America.”
Hey, the Giants are in first, the Dodgers in last. What else is there to be happy about?!
Talking Points
Giants have second best record in NL, in first place, Dodgers in last, took 3/4 from 1st place Braves
Giants rotation getting better, but still 12th in NL for starters (4.25 ERA)
Zito (3-1, 2.75 ERA) and Bumgarner (4-1, 2.18 ERA) have remained mostly issue-free, but Lincecum (3-2, 4.07 ERA) hasn’t achieved true consistency and Vogelsong (1-3, 7.78 ERA) has one quality start in seven appearances.
Cain won his first two May starts, yielding three runs over 15 1/3 innings. That’s a 1.76 ERA.
The Week in Review
Lost 2/3 vs Philly, won 3/4 from ATL
Giants now have the BEST BA in the NL at .266, 3rd in runs, 3rd in RBI
The Big Question
Can Lincecum perform like this again? 7 innings, 0 runs, 2 hits. Vintage.
Giants ASG dark horse, go!
Armchair Manager
Should Gaudin move up in depth? 21 IP, 1.27 ERA, 21K, 15H, .195 BAA
Tweet At Me, Bruh
Willie: kyleconaway: Hey @Williedills, I love you and all, but your #Giants can go straight to hell. #GoBraves #TomahawkChop4Life
Chad: “Thomas Todd @HammerheadT @chadk21 @williedills @friedduck @TortureCast Damn, why didn’t we think of that?” That’s right, we’re on YOUTUBE!
We’ve decided to expand access to our podcasts by putting them on YouTube! They’ll normally be posted a little after they go up on iTunes, Podomatic, Stitcher, and our website, but if you can’t find us now, you might be a Dodger fan…
Willie and Chad kept this podcast much shorter than usual, mostly because Willie wanted to throw himself out of his apartment window after that crushing, epic, utterly pathetic choke-job the Warriors pulled in San Antonio. They blow a 16 point lead with less than 4 minutes left!! Then leave Ginobli THAT WIDE OPEN for a 3 pointer with 3 seconds left in double OT!!!!??
But, we digress and get back to talking Giants baseball and their tonic that was a 6 game winning streak.
Talking Points
Giants have now swept every other team in the NL west, mental edge from here on out?
0.5 ahead of COL, 3rd best record in NL after tonight’s loss
After 32 games last year, they were 15-17 and 6 GB of LA
The Week in Review
Cain won his first start!
Panda caught fire, Scutero hitting again, Posey getting back to normal Posey
The Big Question
Vogelsong: 7.20 ERA after 6 starts. Can he work through this?
We welcome Eric Nathanson to the show. The man behind 2outhits.com and a Giants fan out of…ahem, Chicago?! We start out the show trying to understand how such a die-hard Giants fan developed this way WITHOUT EVER HAVING BEEN TO SAN FRANCISCO! Willie also tests both Eric and Chad’s knowledge with a little Giants trivia.
Talking Points
What the hell is going on?! The sky is falling!! 5 losses in a row!
The Week in Review
Lost 2/3 to AZ, swept by SD. 4 out of those 5 could’ve easily been wins, have only been outscored by 7 runs over the 5 game losing streak (3 went extra innings)
The Big Question
Vogelsong and Cain? Can they right the ship quickly?
Is it time to send Hector down? Could we use some bullpen depth?
Should Marco be moved down in the lineup?
Tweet At Me, Bruh
Chad: Jason Collins @jasoncollins344hAll the support I have received today is truly inspirational. I knew that I was choosing the road less traveled but I’m not walking it alone
Willie: MLB: “Everybody knows somebody who’s gay. If you can’t deal with it in 2013, you need to go somewhere and hide in a cave.” – @LaTroyHawkins32
Eric: @pourmecoffee: Gay people play sports. You can deal with this America. I believe in you.
Our New Favorite Guy
Willie: Timmy: getting back into his stride perhaps? Lotsa Ks, less wild and finally accepting of Posey perhaps?
Chad: Bumgarner: 1.87 ERA, 3-0 sub 1 WHIP, country bumpkin can PITCH!
Ben: Brandon Crawford: Seriously, Matt Kemp WISHES he was as gifted a hitter as Brandon Crawford.
Eric: Hunter Pence: That guy plays every play like it’s his last. And how can you not love the stilted motions?
Honorary Mention: Jason Collins and Robbie Rogers: Look, we’re all San Franciscans here (well, some honorary). This should be pretty obvious.
We Should Hate This Guy
Chad: I’m abstaining for positive energy and kharma for the team
Willie: Chris Broussard – slamming Jason Collins on the air as not a christian because he’s gay. Nice job being a bigot, homey. Good luck with that.
Ben: Almost anybody who writes in the comments section.
Eric: I have the same hate for Broussard, but love for Giants
Why We Will Win It All
Chad: If we stop playing like shit
Willie: We are getting the slump out of the way early. After 5 straight losses we’re only 2 GB and still above the Dodgers. Suck on that.
Ben: Depth depth depth. Also, Nick Noonan.
Eric: Bruce Bochy is the best in the biz in a short series.
We want to thank Eric Nathanson for joining us on this extra-long, but thought-provoking episode of Torturecast! Don’t forget to follow him @2outhits on Twitter!
Vogelsong is struggling to return to 2011-2012 form. And he hates cereal bowls a lot. (photo: dailyrepublic.com)
We love the game face. We love the bull-dog determination. We love the playoff performances last year that helped them win it all.
But everything has gone south for Ryan Vogelsong so far this year. The question is, why?
I’m not going to pretend that I know, and I’m going to guess he would just called it an unlucky slump, and there is certainly some truth to that. I’m not trying to single Vogey out in this article, as Cain is worth of one as well (so that may be coming soon). However, Vogelsong is that guy we all pull for, the underdog, and I want to at least consider why this may be happening.
In a stunning turn of events for the first 25 games of the season, the Giants are second to LAST in starting staff ERA at 4.27 and only ahead of the team that just swept them (SD at 5.33). This is abhorrent, Twilight zonish, perplexing. This staff is supposed to be part of the NL-elite, not within the neighborhood of the Padres or Rockies. Of course Cain and Vogey are the two main culprits, with ERAs of 6.59 and 6.23, respectively. Only Bumgarner is keeping the Giants from the cellar of this statistic, with a sparkling 1.87 ERA.
Back to Mr. Game Face’s statistical breakdown:
Vogelsong has a .303 batting average against and has allowed 10 BB and 7 HR in 30.1 IP, while his WHIP is almost as high as my cholesterol at 1.55. He gave up 17 HR ALL SEASON last year in 189.2 IP and only 8 HR by the all star break when he had 110.2 IP.
Why so many big flys?
Clearly when batters start hitting the ball out of the park with more frequency than a Kardashian getting fat, they are not being fooled. Hitters are making contact more often with pitches in the strike zone, and more alarming, is the BABIP has skyrocketed into 2012 Timmy territory from .284 to .330. Homeruns per nine IP is a video-game like 2.08, almost triple what he allowed last year, and approximately 1 out of 5 fly balls have traveled over the fence, just a bewildering statistic. Most of the other metrics (K%, BB% and pitch selection) have not changed dramatically, and the problem seems to be isolated in not being able to fool opposing hitters as often with balls in the strike zone. This may be correlated with a drop in the timing differential between his fastball and changeup, two pitches that make up 60% of his pitches delivered. His fastball is 1.4 MPH slower this year (89.4 vs 90.8), and the change up, ironically, is slightly faster by 0.4 MPH, which makes the timing differential an average 1.8 MPH smaller, which is a sizeable 23% difference. The lowered chance of throwing opposing hitters’ timing off will only serve to hurt Vogelsong in the long run.
I’m not hitting the panic button yet, and neither should Giants fans; it’s only 5 starts, for crying out loud. He did tail off for the last 2 months of the regular season last year, but we can’t say it’s the start of his decline connected to this year, as he had a stellar playoff run. If tossing bowls of cereal across his kitchen gets him motivated, then lets all hope he has stock in Crate and Barrel and a good maid service.
– Chad
Stats that will alleviate your panic:
Giants are only 2 games back of AZ/COL
After 25 games last year, the Giants were 2 games worse at 12-13 and 5 GB of LAD.
The Giants have lost all 5 of Cain’s starts; surely that will turnaround (right?)
Giants are second in batting average in the NL at .267
Giants are second in batting average in the NL with runners in scoring position
We had unprecedented access (well, at least for us amateurs) to the Giants players today for “Media Day” at AT&T Park. Willie and I were able to make it up to the park for the 2 hour speed-dating session with the players and had more access than we could have imagined.
Currently, I’m editing videos of the players that I interviewed, and they’ll be posted throughout the wee hours of the night, as you sleep, or at least, after you drank yourself to sleep, still bitter of the 49ers Super Bowl loss.
I keed.
We have video interviews of Sergio Romo, Tim Lincecum, Ryan Vogelson, Bruce Bochy, Buster Posey, Barry Zito, Brian Sabean, and maybe even the custodian.
Willie, Ben and I had the delightful opportunity (did I just use the word, “delightful?”) to interview the Social Media Director for the San Francisco Giants, Bryan Srabian. We could have easily talked to him for many hours (and we wanted to), but we still squeezed in about 50 minutes of very interesting talk about how social media is used as a marketing tool for the Giants and other Major League teams.
We hope you enjoy listening to this interview as much as we did!