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Willie, My Father, and Me

Louisville Slugger bat signed by the 1951 New York Giants including Willie Mays.

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Check out Episode 302 that we recorded last week; a special tribute to Willie Mays.

This past Tuesday on June 18, 2024 in the early evening as I was getting ready to head to work, my wife called to me from the other room, where the Giants-Cubs game was on TV, to get in there quickly. She then hugged me and told me “Willie died.” It seemed incomprehensible. Willie Mays can never die, he’s going to live forever. But it was the truth, he passed away at age 93 and unfortunately after hearing this news I headed straight into work. No time to sit and absorb it, just the cold hard reality to smack me in the face. Such is life sometimes.

It was almost fitting in my world that the news broke during a Giants-Cubs game at Wrigley Field. For those that don’t know, I grew up near Chicago and Wrigley Field was my home ballpark. The only way that I could see the Giants was at the historic ballpark on the North Side, so that was my frame of reference while growing up. And how did a kid growing up in the suburbs of Chicago during the 1980’s and 90’ surrounded by Cubs fans find himself a San Francisco Giants fan? 

Willie Mays of course.

Back in the early 1950’s when the Giants still played in New York, a young Barry Nathanson fell in love with watching the player wearing number 24 run around the spacious center field in the Polo Grounds. His father was a Giants fan, so naturally he followed suit. But there was just something different about the added connection with Mays on the team. The excitement he stirred in others just by playing the game so many of us love. 

When the Giants abandoned their fans in New York for the west coast of San Francisco, it didn’t matter to my father. Willie was on the team so he was going to be a Giants fan from 3,000 miles away in The Bronx. Of course he went to Yankee and also Met games after they came into existence in 1962, but his heart was with Willie in San Francisco.

I’m not sure if they still do this, but back in the day Louisville Slugger would make bats for each league champion engraved with signatures of all the members of the team. Everyone in the organization got one and the bat boy for the infamous 1951 Giants squad lived in my dad’s building. When the Giants announced they were moving to California, that bat boy was so enraged that he was going to throw the bat in the incinerator. My 11-year old father convinced him to give it to him instead of destroying it. That bat became the first of his many Willie Mays related prized possessions.

Before the bat was encased in a nice display in the mid-90’s for my dad to show off his growing collection in the basement, he kept it under his bed in a case with a protective sleeve. I’d heard so many stories about those teams that I would often sneak into his room and pull the bat out from under the bed and just marvel at the names in gold on the black bat and dream of the things they must have accomplished. Did he catch me? Of course, but then it just turned into another Giants history lesson.

Just a quick side note. How freaking lucky was my dad to grow up in New York during that time? He literally lived down the street from Yankee Stadium and would often tell me stories of how as kids, they would allow them in the ballpark for free after the 5th inning. Then, if you stayed and helped clean up a section of the stadium after the game, you’d get a free ticket to the next Yankees game. He got to see Mickey Mantle for free and still chose to be a Willie Mays fan! How amazing is that?

In the early 70’s, my parents moved to Chicago so my dad could attend dental school at Northwestern University. They fell in love with the spacious midwest and my dad figured with the Cubs in town, at least he could still see the Giants play ball. I came along in 1979 (the year Willie was inducted into the Hall of Fame), and I’m pretty sure I was immersed with Willie Mays facts and Giants history from the moment I came home. At least, it feels that way looking back.

I have the strongest memory of my dad showing me the basket catch in one of our earliest games of catch. He had one of those old-time gloves, you know the one, with 4 fingers and it was small with no padding in the palm. His childhood glove. I learned the basket catch before ever learning how to raise my arms above my head for a flyball. My father even explained to me how Willie caught it that way because he felt that it was quicker for him to get the subsequent throw off. He is right, it’s only a half rotation of the arm instead of a full one when catching a ball up high. But not all of us are Willie Mays who can just shoot the ball from any position like a cannon firing during battle. We have to catch it like mere mortals.

I’m just going to pause here and acknowledge that this has become way more about my father than about Willie than originally intended. Honestly, I didn’t expect that and I’m going to just keep pushing forward with it.

Barry Nathanson passed away back in March of 2012 and I miss him every day. It always struck me that his baseball hero out-lived him, so it gave me a way to feel like a part of my father was still alive since then. I can’t feel that way anymore and it has hit me hard. That’s why it’s taken a few days to write anything about it. But tonight, while watching the Mets and Cubs at Wrigley on my TV, it became time to deal with it. Baseball is something, man. 

During many years of my youth baseball career, my father was my manager. All those years but one, we were the Giants. Over time, the other managers understood to let my father have the Giants because his passion for them always showed. In fact, when I was playing for the Yankees as a 7-year old under a different manager, my dad coached the whole season at 3rd base wearing a Giants cap. The man refused to wear a Yankees one! He just couldn’t comprehend putting on anything related to the pinstripes. This one just makes me smile now. Those fights he used to get into with Yankee fans about who’s better between Mantle and Mays must have really stuck with him.

Everyone has seen “The Catch” by now. As a young child falling asleep at night, I didn’t have the luxury of pulling it up on YouTube and watching. All I had were the stories about that and other Giants moments from my father. He used to talk about a time he saw Willie throw a guy out at home flat footed from almost 400 feet away. The descriptions of Willie running out from under his cap to chase down a fly ball were so vivid, that when I did finally see video of it, I felt like I’d already witnessed Willie do it a million times. Mays played with so much joy, that even a young kid growing up many years after he retired was drawn to him. 

I mentioned earlier that my dad’s memorabilia collection started to grow in the 90’s. He finally had money to get some of the things that represent his cherished moments but he still had one thing from his childhood. It was a postcard that he received from the Giants with Willie Mays and other signatures on the back. Again, back in the 1950’s you could do such a thing and actually get a response! Imagine doing that today?

The man himself, Barry Nathanson

That’s the through-line of my love affair with baseball. It all started with Willie Mays. He was the only person other than his own father who my dad ever spoke of with such esteemed reverance. Honestly, if we’re splitting hairs here, he probably spoke higher of Willie than his own father, and I probably do the same. That’s not a bad thing, it was just easier to see his own father’s flaws than Willie’s. Because to my father Barry, Willie Mays had no flaws. He was the perfect ballplayer and an even greater person. 

I’m not the type to put other people on a pedestal. I don’t understand how people can deify others. We’re all humans. The one exception is Willie Mays.

That’s the lens through which I’ve always viewed Willie Mays, and it will probably stay that way forever. RIP Say Hey Kid. Thank you.

And thank you dad, this love of the Giants and Willie is one of the greatest gifts you ever gave me. Being able to share all these moments with other Giants fans is such a blessing and I’m grateful for all of them. I’m proud that you helped me become one of the many touched by the greatness of Willie Mays. I’m going to miss him, and I miss you.

Barry’s final resting place. His ashes are scattered in McCovey Cove.

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Episode #302: The “Say Hey” Kid

Willie Mays, considered the best baseball player of all time, passed away on Tuesday at the age of 93.

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Willie Mays, a legendary figure in baseball history, forged an incomparable legacy throughout his illustrious career. Born in 1931, Mays made his Major League Baseball debut with the New York Giants in 1951, quickly capturing attention with his exceptional athleticism and prowess both at bat and in the outfield. Known for his remarkable catches and powerful hitting, Mays became a symbol of excellence and determination on the field. His tenure with the Giants, which continued when they moved to San Francisco in 1958, solidified his status as an icon for both the franchise and its fans. Mays’ impact transcended statistics; he embodied the spirit of the game, inspiring generations with his charisma, sportsmanship, and unwavering dedication. His contributions to the Giants’ success and his influence on the sport as a whole remain unparalleled, making Willie Mays a revered figure in baseball and a beloved hero to Giants fans everywhere.

Chad, Eric, and Willie reflect upon Mays’ life and career after his passing earlier this week. Mays’ was Eric and Willie’s favorite Giant, and Eric wouldn’t even be a fan of the Giants if it weren’t for Willie Mays. Willie Dills’ always wears 24 and heck, his NAME is Willie. It’s not sad, but it is somber that Mays passed away two days before the game at Rickwood Field was to honor him. We spend the majority of this episode talking about his career and impact on our lives, review the experience and game at Rickwood Field, then wrap up with where the Giants stand at almost the halfway point in the season.

Willie Dills also recorded a few minutes of audio while standing at Mays’ statue at Oracle Park the day after his passing. That audio can be found separately or at the end of this podcast.

Below is the video of the tribute inserted to the beginning of this episode:

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Which SF Giants Player or Personality do you want to hang out with during a pandemic?

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Oracle Park / Photo: Eric Nathanson

As you know, sports are canceled. The San Francisco Giants should be playing week 2 of their season right now. Check that, week 3. The home opener was supposed to be last Friday. So, I guess we’re in week 3. Sigh.

Sports are the distraction from everyday life, and right now they are not filling that hole. Everyday life has stopped as we know it. Quarantine has become the new normal and most people are taking refuge in their homes.

We here at TortureCast are staying home and staying safe and urge all of you to do the same. It’s a good time to catch up on books, music, movies, and podcasts that we may have missed. Continue reading

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This Week In San Francisco Giants History: The Never Ending Doubleheader

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Hall of Famer Gaylord Perry – San Francisco Giants | Photo: MLB.com

The Giants left for San Francisco in 1958. Because of their move, along with the Dodgers jump to LA, New York was awarded an expansion franchise in 1962. Thus, the Mets were born. Fun fact about the Mets, their uniform colors being orange and blue is a nod to the Giants and Dodgers who left town. That’s what I’ve always known and apparently it’s true.

There were still Giants fans left in the city of New York. My father was one of them, and he’s the reason I want to write about a Sunday doubleheader at Shea Stadium in 1964. He was there, and this is one of the stories I grew up listening to that made me a Giants fan today. Who knows if the account I was given was totally true, but who cares? It’s Giants lore, and I ate it up. Let’s dig in to the day. Continue reading

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This Week In San Francisco Giants History: Willie’s Hit Parade

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San Francisco Giants Outfielder Willie Mays grabs a balloon during a parade on April 14, 1958 to welcome the team after their move from New York. – AP Photo

Welcome back to another This Week In San Francisco Giants History. After a week off to take care of the present day, we’re back with another peek at a fascinating moment in Giants history.

If you missed any of the previous installments in this series, you can click the links below to check them out.

TWIGH: Opening Day Timmy | Zito Loves Coors | California Baseball Begins | Robby Hits For The Cycle | The Comeback

Willie Mays is the greatest player in the history of baseball. You can’t convince me otherwise. I’m a Giants fan. Always have been, always will be. So, with all due respect to Babe Ruth, Mike Trout and Pablo Sandoval, Mays will always be at the top of the list. I’m subjective, and I don’t care. You try growing up with stories about that man and not feel the same. When my dad talked about Willie, he went to a place of wonderment and joy as he relived the moments he saw in his head from childhood. You could see it in his eyes. I’m biased, and I think I’ve established that. Continue reading

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This Week In San Francisco Giants History: The Comeback

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San Francisco Giants’ Bobby Bonds, right, and Baseball Commissioner Bowie Kuhn pose with the All Star Game Most Valuable Player trophy after it was presented to Bonds at Royals Stadium in Kansas City, Mo., on July 24, 1973. (AP Photo)

In the year 1973, the San Francisco Giants were facing a brave new world. It was the first season since 1954 in which Willie Mays was not on the roster. He had been traded to New York the prior season and was finishing his career out in a Mets uniform.

With Bobby Bonds in charge of a new outfield. the Giants had a good core of young players mixed with veterans like Willie McCovey to provide leadership and help the team contend. Twenty-three year old Garry Maddox patrolled center field, with 22-year old Rookie of the Year Gary Matthews spending most of his time in left field. A young Chris Speier, himself only 23 years old, was the captain of the infield at shortstop in only his 3rd season. McCovey was the only regular to get playing time who was over the age of 30 as the Giants gambled on young talent to carry them through the 1973 season.

The kids got off to a good start. The Giants entered May at 18-6, the best record in baseball. Continue reading

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This Week In San Francisco Giants History: California Love

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Willie Mays and Duke Snider before the first MLB game in California between the San Francisco Giants and Los Angeles Dodgers

The San Francisco Giants were born during an owner’s vote on May 28, 1957. Well, they weren’t born, that distinction goes to expansion teams, more like they were allowed to exist on that May day in 1957. That day, NL owners approved the move of both the Giants and Brooklyn Dodgers out west to California.

That was the deal, though. Both teams had to move there, or neither did. Baseball wanted to keep travel problems to a minimum and having 2 teams out west made it easier for NL teams to schedule road trips. Airplane travel was just becoming normal, and before the 1958 season, there was no NL team west of the St. Louis Cardinals.

Yes, the Giants had won the World Series as recently as 1954, but attendance was lagging. In 1954, the Giants drew 1.155 million fans to the Polo Grounds. By 1956, that number had already dropped to 629,179. It was thought that fans were moving out to the suburbs and less likely to drive to the city for a ballgame. So the Giants looked to move out of the only city they ever called home. Continue reading

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Episode #150: #25 is Retired

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Barry Bonds finally had his number retired on Saturday. Photo: Jeff Chiu/Associated Press

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Eric and Chad talk about Barry Bonds’ #25 being retired (Willie Mays’ and Barry Bonds’ speeches are at the end of the podcast) and all of our memories watching him as fans before we started this podcast. We also review the split of a four game series with the Pirates and focus on the emerging star of Dereck Rodriguez, whose name, if you Google it, still comes up with his dad’s picture first (Pudge)!

The Giants need to play with some sense of urgency right now. Sitting 6 games back of Arizona with 43 to play, they need to do well on this 10 game road trip, starting with 3 in LA. Tonight, it’ll be a classic matchup: MadBum vs. Kershaw.

It’s a tough road, but stranger things have happened.

Enjoy episode #150!

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Episode 84: “4-10 Good Buddy”

We get up close and personal with Bochy’s ring, hall of famers, and we even get to third base!

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Wouldn’t it be nice to have the Tigers’ record (11-2) right now? Although the Giants have gotten off to one of the worst starts ever for a World Series champion, it’s not quite yet time to panic.

Chad and Eric discuss the highlight of the week, which, yes, was the only win in the last 10 games, but it was also the World Series Ring ceremony. Chad was in attendance, and he strolls down memory lane and recounts his experience in the clubhouse, seeing all five living Hall of Famers, and actually handled the ring of Bochy himself. All pictures of the night are on our Facebook page.

We cover McGehee, Peavy on the DL, “Tweet at me, Bruh,” our new favorite and least favorite guys, and of course, “Why We Will Win it All.”

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Episode 48: The Pablo Sandoval Episode

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Hey, the Giants are in first, the Dodgers in last. What else is there to be happy about?!

Talking Points

  • Giants have second best record in NL, in first place, Dodgers in last, took 3/4 from 1st place Braves
  • Giants rotation getting better, but still 12th in NL for starters (4.25 ERA)
  • Zito (3-1, 2.75 ERA) and Bumgarner (4-1, 2.18 ERA) have remained mostly issue-free, but Lincecum (3-2, 4.07 ERA) hasn’t achieved true consistency and Vogelsong (1-3, 7.78 ERA) has one quality start in seven appearances.
  • Cain won his first two May starts, yielding three runs over 15 1/3 innings. That’s a 1.76 ERA.

The Week in Review

  • Lost 2/3 vs Philly, won 3/4 from ATL
  • Giants now have the BEST BA in the NL at .266, 3rd in runs, 3rd in RBI

The Big Question

  • Can Lincecum perform like this again? 7 innings, 0 runs, 2 hits. Vintage.
  • Giants ASG dark horse, go!

Armchair Manager

  • Should Gaudin move up in depth? 21 IP, 1.27 ERA, 21K, 15H, .195 BAA

Tweet At Me, Bruh

  • Willie: kyleconaway: Hey @Williedills, I love you and all, but your #Giants can go straight to hell. #GoBraves #TomahawkChop4Life
  • Chad: “Thomas Todd ‏@HammerheadT @chadk21 @williedills @friedduck @TortureCast Damn, why didn’t we think of that?” That’s right, we’re on YOUTUBE!

Our New Favorite Guy

  • Panda and his pink fingernails and homeruns
  • Scutaro finding his groove again

We Should Hate This Guy

Why We Will Win It All

  • Chad: Giants will make a deadline deal to solidify their rotation if Vogey doesn’t come around
  • We have bullets in the chamber besides who we have right now. If we need a move to solidify, wherever that may be, it will happen

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