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The podcast by and for fans of the San Francisco Giants, hosted weekly by our duo of Chad King and Eric Nathanson.

Willie, My Father, and Me

Louisville Slugger bat signed by the 1951 New York Giants including Willie Mays.

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Check out Episode 302 that we recorded last week; a special tribute to Willie Mays.

This past Tuesday on June 18, 2024 in the early evening as I was getting ready to head to work, my wife called to me from the other room, where the Giants-Cubs game was on TV, to get in there quickly. She then hugged me and told me “Willie died.” It seemed incomprehensible. Willie Mays can never die, he’s going to live forever. But it was the truth, he passed away at age 93 and unfortunately after hearing this news I headed straight into work. No time to sit and absorb it, just the cold hard reality to smack me in the face. Such is life sometimes.

It was almost fitting in my world that the news broke during a Giants-Cubs game at Wrigley Field. For those that don’t know, I grew up near Chicago and Wrigley Field was my home ballpark. The only way that I could see the Giants was at the historic ballpark on the North Side, so that was my frame of reference while growing up. And how did a kid growing up in the suburbs of Chicago during the 1980’s and 90’ surrounded by Cubs fans find himself a San Francisco Giants fan? 

Willie Mays of course.

Back in the early 1950’s when the Giants still played in New York, a young Barry Nathanson fell in love with watching the player wearing number 24 run around the spacious center field in the Polo Grounds. His father was a Giants fan, so naturally he followed suit. But there was just something different about the added connection with Mays on the team. The excitement he stirred in others just by playing the game so many of us love. 

When the Giants abandoned their fans in New York for the west coast of San Francisco, it didn’t matter to my father. Willie was on the team so he was going to be a Giants fan from 3,000 miles away in The Bronx. Of course he went to Yankee and also Met games after they came into existence in 1962, but his heart was with Willie in San Francisco.

I’m not sure if they still do this, but back in the day Louisville Slugger would make bats for each league champion engraved with signatures of all the members of the team. Everyone in the organization got one and the bat boy for the infamous 1951 Giants squad lived in my dad’s building. When the Giants announced they were moving to California, that bat boy was so enraged that he was going to throw the bat in the incinerator. My 11-year old father convinced him to give it to him instead of destroying it. That bat became the first of his many Willie Mays related prized possessions.

Before the bat was encased in a nice display in the mid-90’s for my dad to show off his growing collection in the basement, he kept it under his bed in a case with a protective sleeve. I’d heard so many stories about those teams that I would often sneak into his room and pull the bat out from under the bed and just marvel at the names in gold on the black bat and dream of the things they must have accomplished. Did he catch me? Of course, but then it just turned into another Giants history lesson.

Just a quick side note. How freaking lucky was my dad to grow up in New York during that time? He literally lived down the street from Yankee Stadium and would often tell me stories of how as kids, they would allow them in the ballpark for free after the 5th inning. Then, if you stayed and helped clean up a section of the stadium after the game, you’d get a free ticket to the next Yankees game. He got to see Mickey Mantle for free and still chose to be a Willie Mays fan! How amazing is that?

In the early 70’s, my parents moved to Chicago so my dad could attend dental school at Northwestern University. They fell in love with the spacious midwest and my dad figured with the Cubs in town, at least he could still see the Giants play ball. I came along in 1979 (the year Willie was inducted into the Hall of Fame), and I’m pretty sure I was immersed with Willie Mays facts and Giants history from the moment I came home. At least, it feels that way looking back.

I have the strongest memory of my dad showing me the basket catch in one of our earliest games of catch. He had one of those old-time gloves, you know the one, with 4 fingers and it was small with no padding in the palm. His childhood glove. I learned the basket catch before ever learning how to raise my arms above my head for a flyball. My father even explained to me how Willie caught it that way because he felt that it was quicker for him to get the subsequent throw off. He is right, it’s only a half rotation of the arm instead of a full one when catching a ball up high. But not all of us are Willie Mays who can just shoot the ball from any position like a cannon firing during battle. We have to catch it like mere mortals.

I’m just going to pause here and acknowledge that this has become way more about my father than about Willie than originally intended. Honestly, I didn’t expect that and I’m going to just keep pushing forward with it.

Barry Nathanson passed away back in March of 2012 and I miss him every day. It always struck me that his baseball hero out-lived him, so it gave me a way to feel like a part of my father was still alive since then. I can’t feel that way anymore and it has hit me hard. That’s why it’s taken a few days to write anything about it. But tonight, while watching the Mets and Cubs at Wrigley on my TV, it became time to deal with it. Baseball is something, man. 

During many years of my youth baseball career, my father was my manager. All those years but one, we were the Giants. Over time, the other managers understood to let my father have the Giants because his passion for them always showed. In fact, when I was playing for the Yankees as a 7-year old under a different manager, my dad coached the whole season at 3rd base wearing a Giants cap. The man refused to wear a Yankees one! He just couldn’t comprehend putting on anything related to the pinstripes. This one just makes me smile now. Those fights he used to get into with Yankee fans about who’s better between Mantle and Mays must have really stuck with him.

Everyone has seen “The Catch” by now. As a young child falling asleep at night, I didn’t have the luxury of pulling it up on YouTube and watching. All I had were the stories about that and other Giants moments from my father. He used to talk about a time he saw Willie throw a guy out at home flat footed from almost 400 feet away. The descriptions of Willie running out from under his cap to chase down a fly ball were so vivid, that when I did finally see video of it, I felt like I’d already witnessed Willie do it a million times. Mays played with so much joy, that even a young kid growing up many years after he retired was drawn to him. 

I mentioned earlier that my dad’s memorabilia collection started to grow in the 90’s. He finally had money to get some of the things that represent his cherished moments but he still had one thing from his childhood. It was a postcard that he received from the Giants with Willie Mays and other signatures on the back. Again, back in the 1950’s you could do such a thing and actually get a response! Imagine doing that today?

The man himself, Barry Nathanson

That’s the through-line of my love affair with baseball. It all started with Willie Mays. He was the only person other than his own father who my dad ever spoke of with such esteemed reverance. Honestly, if we’re splitting hairs here, he probably spoke higher of Willie than his own father, and I probably do the same. That’s not a bad thing, it was just easier to see his own father’s flaws than Willie’s. Because to my father Barry, Willie Mays had no flaws. He was the perfect ballplayer and an even greater person. 

I’m not the type to put other people on a pedestal. I don’t understand how people can deify others. We’re all humans. The one exception is Willie Mays.

That’s the lens through which I’ve always viewed Willie Mays, and it will probably stay that way forever. RIP Say Hey Kid. Thank you.

And thank you dad, this love of the Giants and Willie is one of the greatest gifts you ever gave me. Being able to share all these moments with other Giants fans is such a blessing and I’m grateful for all of them. I’m proud that you helped me become one of the many touched by the greatness of Willie Mays. I’m going to miss him, and I miss you.

Barry’s final resting place. His ashes are scattered in McCovey Cove.

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Episode #302: The “Say Hey” Kid

Willie Mays, considered the best baseball player of all time, passed away on Tuesday at the age of 93.

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Willie Mays, a legendary figure in baseball history, forged an incomparable legacy throughout his illustrious career. Born in 1931, Mays made his Major League Baseball debut with the New York Giants in 1951, quickly capturing attention with his exceptional athleticism and prowess both at bat and in the outfield. Known for his remarkable catches and powerful hitting, Mays became a symbol of excellence and determination on the field. His tenure with the Giants, which continued when they moved to San Francisco in 1958, solidified his status as an icon for both the franchise and its fans. Mays’ impact transcended statistics; he embodied the spirit of the game, inspiring generations with his charisma, sportsmanship, and unwavering dedication. His contributions to the Giants’ success and his influence on the sport as a whole remain unparalleled, making Willie Mays a revered figure in baseball and a beloved hero to Giants fans everywhere.

Chad, Eric, and Willie reflect upon Mays’ life and career after his passing earlier this week. Mays’ was Eric and Willie’s favorite Giant, and Eric wouldn’t even be a fan of the Giants if it weren’t for Willie Mays. Willie Dills’ always wears 24 and heck, his NAME is Willie. It’s not sad, but it is somber that Mays passed away two days before the game at Rickwood Field was to honor him. We spend the majority of this episode talking about his career and impact on our lives, review the experience and game at Rickwood Field, then wrap up with where the Giants stand at almost the halfway point in the season.

Willie Dills also recorded a few minutes of audio while standing at Mays’ statue at Oracle Park the day after his passing. That audio can be found separately or at the end of this podcast.

Below is the video of the tribute inserted to the beginning of this episode:

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Episode #301: Judged

Camilo Doval gets pulled after giving up four runs in the 9th to the Yankees. The game went from a 5-3 Giants’ lead to a 7-5 loss. Photo by Brandon Vallance/GettyImages

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The Giants had a good two weeks going, winning 10 of 12 games and getting 2 games north of .500. Until they faced the Yankees. Aaron Judge went off at Oracle, something Giants fans dreamt of a couple of years ago. Except, he did it in Yankee road grey going 6-10 with 3 bombs and even 2 stolen bases. It didn’t help that Camilo Doval blew a 2 run lead in the 9th to complete the Yankee sweep. We look into some of Doval’s metrics, and let’s just say his barrel and hard hit percentage are near the bottom of the league, where it’s traditionally near the top. Perhaps his stuff isn’t moving as much, because the velocity is there. After recording, the Giants went out and lost another heartbreaker to Arizona in walk-off fashion. They have lost 5 in a row and are 3 games below water. Not great, but still within 1.5 games of the wild card. 

Chad, Eric, and Willie are actually pretty positive about this team. They ran into the Yankee buzzsaw, but also took 2 of 3 from the best team in the NL, so there’s that. Still, it’s going to be an uphill climb with the piling injuries (Lee out for the year, Wade out for 4 weeks, etc.) and young guys trying to find their place. 

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Episode #300: Are You Not Entertained?!

Gerard Butler is excited for our 300th episode!

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Ok. Full transparency. I started the podcast by opening with a clip of Russell Crowe bellowing, “Are you not entertained?!” to honor our 300th episode. I forgot that clip is not from the movie “300.” It’s Gladiator. Eric, Willie, and I talk about the milestone that is our 300th episode, how the podcast got started, and a few interesting podcasting stats. Then we came to visit the hospital that is the current SF Giants clubhouse. Lee, Soler, Conforto, Winn, Slater, Ahmed, Murphy…all injured. There are 7 players on the current roster that were playing for Sacramento less than two weeks ago. And they have to compete with the All Star Dodgers? But hey, they just signed Curt Casali and an outfielder from the Mexican league! This team is certainly not performing the way we expected, and things could get much worse with all of these injuries. The good news is they are only 2.5 games out of the third wild card spot.

From the bottom of our orange hearts, THANK YOU for continuing to listen to TortureCast. We don’t get paid, we do this out of love for baseball and the Giants. If you didn’t listen, we wouldn’t speak.

On to the next 100 episodes!

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Episode #299: Something Snells Around Here

Blake Snell’s ERA is a whopping 11.57 with the Giants before heading to the injured list. Photo by MLB.

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Well, that didn’t take long. Blake Snell gets rocked in his first three outings then goes on the IL with an adductor strain. The boys chat about our biggest surprises and biggest disappointments in the first 26 games of the season, which finds the Giants just under .500. At least they haven’t lost the division in the month of April. Our surprises include Conforto and Hicks, but aside from Snell, our biggest disappointments so far are the bullpen and Austin Slater. Also, the Giants welcome in the Pirates and Joey Bart this weekend after they traded Bart to the Bucs in early April. He’s off to a hot start with 3 bombs in 26 ABs. He hit only 11 homers with the Giants in 5 years. Go figure. 

Chad is going out to sea on an expedition for work, but we’ll be back in a couple of weeks for the big 300!

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Episode #298: Confortoable

Michael Conforto blasts a solo homerun (his 3rd in 5 games) at Dodger Stadium in a loss to the Dodgers on April 1, 2024. Photo by MLB.

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The season is officially underway, and Chad and Eric review the first five games of the Giants’ 2024 season. Despite the 2-3 start, there are a lot of positives to take away with the hitting of Lee, Conforto, Chapman, and Wade, and the starts by Webb, Harrison, Hicks, and Winn. However, the bullpen has been the worst in the majors to start the young season, having given up 20 earned runs in just 18 innings. Although there will be a correction to the mean, if the pen doesn’t smooth things out quickly, it could lead to some Pepto nights for Giants fans. 

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Episode #297: 2024 Season Preview

Brand new Giant, Blake Snell, throws at Spring Training on March 24, 2024. Photo by Andy Kuno/San Francisco Giants/Getty Images

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It’s one of our favorite episodes to do every year: the season preview episode! 

This also begins our FOURTEENTH season of covering Giants’ baseball.

Everything is fresh as a daisy. Everyone has a 0-0 record (well, except the Dodgers and Padres), and you can just smell the scent of fresh-cut grass in the office. Eric and Chad review what’s happened in Giants’ baseball over the last three weeks, including the bombshell of landing last year’s Cy Young winner, Blake Snell. Then, we get to our picks and prognostications. How many wins? Who will lead the team in ERA? Wins? HR? facial hair rearrangement? (strike that last one). We also solicited win predictions from YOU, our listeners, and we read every single one on air. Vegas has the over/under at 83.5 wins. Where do we land? We also give our divisional and wild card picks, and who will be victorious in the World Series.

Also, don’t forget to check out Chad’s Oracle Park food review video!

Go Giants!

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Food Tasting at Oracle Park!

Chad reviews some of the new food offerings at Oracle Park for the 2024 San Francisco Giants season.

I had the distinct pleasure of visiting Oracle Park for their Media Open House last week. The Giants’ organization knows that the only reason so many media show up for this is the free food…it’s literally a free lunch. But, many of us pseudo-media (and media) types also share their thoughts on what’s tasty and what’s not, which gets the word out, and potentially hypes up the offerings.

Enjoy this short video where I chomp through eight offerings (mostly new). They include the Crab sandwich, Cove crab noodles, “Baby Bull” sandwich, onion rings, Fuku spicy chicken sandwich and their chicken tenders, bacon cheesburger, a baseball mitt sundae, and strawberry milk tea. I didn’t have the time or stomach capacity to taste the vegan sausage or the go-to Tony’s Pizza, but those were low on my list anyway.

Enjoy! Also, don’t forget about our 2024 Season Preview show coming out on Monday!

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Episode #296: He’s a Chapman

Shiny brand-new Matt Chapman takes hacks in the cage at Spring Training on March 3, 2024. Photo by Andy Kuno, SF Giants.

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The Giants “said” they were done signing free agents, but it was a ruse, just as we thought. News broke late Friday night that the Giants signed prized third baseman Matt Chapman to a 3 year, $54 million contract, with opt-outs after years 1 and 2. The Giants have significantly upgraded their lineup with the additions of Soler and Chapman, and now questions linger about J.D. Davis’ or Wilmer Flores’ fate. There was also just no room for Brandon Crawford, who signed a $2 million, 1 year MLB deal with the Cardinals. Sad to see him go, but he had a -1.5 WAR last year, and he just doesn’t have the positional flexibility required of a 26th man. Normally, we are less concerned about the rotation, but with Tristan Beck out indefinitely after today’s surgery to correct an aneurysm in his upper right arm, the top four are Logan Webb, Kyle Harrison, Jordan Hicks, and Keaton Winn. Hicks and Winn are already questionable, and Harrison doesn’t even have a full year under his belt. The fifth spot could go to Hjelle, or perhaps Kai-Wei Teng, but spring training will sort that all out. They will be getting Alex Cobb and Robbie Ray back during the year, and Cobb reportedly is ahead of schedule. But, could they still get Snell or Montgomery? Also, MadBum is floating ideas about a comeback, but, maybe he should just stick to his ranch.

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Episode #295: Soler Power

Jorge Soler is introduced to the media at Spring Training on February 18, 2024. Photo by Andy Kuno.

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The Giants officially opened up spring training this week, and we had a lot to catch up on. First and foremost, the Giants plugged in some desperately needed power by signing Jorge Soler to a 3 year, $42 million contract. He’s slotted to bat fourth and be the Giants’ primary DH. Zaidi also said that they are essentially “done” with acquisitions and trades for now, although Blake Snell is still sitting out there as a prized free agent, not to mention Matt Chapman and Cody Bellinger. The Giants traded Ross Stripling to Oakland, but their opening day rotation looks a little light. Perhaps the Giants will stand pat with signing Jordan Hicks, who will become a starter after a long stint as a flame-throwing reliever, along with a trio of young starters, until Alex Cobb and Robbie Ray come off the injury shelf. Hey, the Panda is back! But, don’t expect him to make the roster out of spring training. We also talk about numbers, jerseys, and a LOT of 49ers talk.

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